Tuesday, June 17, 2014

[biofuelwatch] Re: [Biomass] Dr. Dorothy Robinson: Dirty Wood-Heaters





I am of opinion that rather than trying to determine which is WORST form of energy - for climate or otherwise (climate being one but not only concern) - we should recognize they ALL stink, even solar and wind have major issues… We need to create unity in our opposition so we can turn our attention to deep questioning about what we use energy "for", what we need and do not, and what  "system change" could/should look like. 

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Mary Booth <mbooth@massenvironmentalenergy.org> wrote:

John, I bet a lot of people agree with you that coal is the biggest enemy.  I wouldn't disagree with that, though if the leakage rates from fracking are as high as reported in some cases, natural gas will soon be giving coal a run for its money as a climate forcer. 

Mary




On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:20 PM, John Blair <ecoserve@valleywatch.net> wrote:
Actually, my over all position was based more on the difference between using landfill gas for energy purposes and allowing it to escape to the atmosphere to be a serious greenhouse gas. Also, I personally am not against using dung from animal feedlots in digesters to create usable methane for energy purposes. I was somewhat chastised when I added that campfires are also polluters as is the use of wood to heat homes.

My overall idea was to point out that there are dangers to most all energy forms used to generate electricity and decisions on what to use and when should be fully informed.

And yes, I am  still one of those who thinks that coal is our greatest enemy  - 

Coal's Share of Global Energy Consumption At Highest Level Since 1970
If any of this surprises you, some people like Gregor MacDonald called coal's continuing surge years ago. "Oil, natural gas, and alternatives dominate ...



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On Jun 13, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Alan Muller <amuller@dca.net> wrote:

I don't agree that John was "held as a pariah" in the discussion I recall.  It was my perception that he took the position, as many have done, that since coal is bad, "biomass" must be, or likely is, a better alternative.

What is the "Biomass Truth movement"?

There is no question that wood burnt in stoves, backyard boilers, fireplaces, etc, is more horrible from a health point of view than the same amount of wood burnt in a larger industrial facility with turbulent combustion and at least minimal emission controls.  Many of us have written about this at length.  Millions of people around the world are suffering harm.  The technical facts are clear and simple.  The politics are not. 

In Minnesota, some of the anti-woodsmoke people are being made use of by industrial interests happy to have an opportunity to shift attention away from industrial polluters.  They are helping nobody except the big polluters by going that way.

am

At 10:10 AM 6/13/2014 -0500, Josh Schlossberg, Energy Justice Network wrote:
Yes, John. Unfortunately not everyone in the Biomass Truth movement is anti-biomass, but hopefully that will change over time once people have more contact with folks who are fighting against all forms of burning.

Thanks for this info on Benzo-a-pyrene.

Josh

On 6/12/2014 2:04 PM, John Blair wrote:
Josh- In the past, when I tried to bring this up several years ago, I was held as a pariah by some on the biomass list. 

But, unfortunately, the issue does not end with fine particles. There is also the very serious issue of benzo-a-pyrene, a known human carcinogen that emanates from wood smoke as well and can be attached to those fine particles, too. Benzo-a-pyrene is formed when the hydrocarbons in the wood or other materials is not burned completely. Therefore, efficient wood heaters will likely produce less than heaters or stoves that are less efficient but unless there is zero ash left in the heater or stove after a burn, there is incomplete combustion.

The least efficiency way to burn wood where you get  large amounts of both fine particles are wildfires and sadly, campfires or bonfires. Well seasoned firewood does, help but is not completely free of either fine particles or benzo-a-pyrene. The general rule of thumb I would suggest is never sit downwind of a campfire or a chimney from any sort of woodburner and definitely make that a stringent rule for children.

Here is a Material Safety Data Sheet for benzo-a-pryene.





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